If that had 7 heads all the bible fundies would say it was "A SIGN".
Witness My Fury
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Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?
by sabastious ini read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.
he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.
the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.
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Because he is VERY stupid Ann.
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Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?
by sabastious ini read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.
he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.
the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.
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Witness My Fury
But still no EVIDENCE for 607, just a lot of hot air and wishful thinking.
There are no "extra" years to play with, ANYWHERE in the period under discussion. The FACTS and methods that are used (even by the WTS) to establish 539 bce as the fall of Babylon ALSO establish 587 bce as the fall of Jerusalem. To cherry pick here is grossly dishonest. Only by holding to a very narrow "understanding" and reading of the 70 years is 607 arrived at.
If that understanding of prophecy is in direct opposition to fact then something is wrong with that understanding. ...This is not a bible vs secular chronology argument as the WTS would like you to believe, as the bible clearly supports the 587 date in line with secular history. It is the narrow and forced 607 argument that is not in line with both the bible and secular chronology, this is why many are leaving the JWs now that we are in the information age and can more easily see through the WTS propaganda.
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Something the "Watchtower" left out
by Doug Mason inthe october 1, 2011 watchtower article when was ancient jerusalem destroyed?
includes the following statement.. .
there is also strong evidence from cuneiform documents that prior to the reign of nabopolassar (the first king of the neo-babylonian period), another king (ashuretel-ilani) ruled for four years in babylonia.
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I was blown away by the Lady Adda-guppi info in COJs The Gentile Times Reconsidered book. It is point conclusive about who reigned during her long life and for how long, ... and with them being her direct descendants she KNEW the facts.
Another obvious case of SELECTIVE quoting from the WTS.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/Adda_Guppi_Harran.htm
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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows
by wannabefree inobviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.
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Witness My Fury
It will be November 1st edition, about 4 weeks from now...
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A Point Djeggnog Missed...
by Cameron_Don ina while back djeggnog said to me.... "evidently you want the readers of your book to believe what jehovah's witnesses believe[d] (down till 1919) to be a matter of embracing the beliefs of these dead men (russell and rutherford).
but jehovah's witnesses embrace[d] the teachings of jesus christ, our living lord.".
"captives of a concept" presents 48 examples where jehovah's witnesses (bible students) did in fact embrace the beliefs of the now dead men russell and rutherford.
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Witness My Fury
This is hilarious:
If you worked for me, I would fire you at once for attempting to mislead people into believing something that isn't even true.
It takes a certain kind of person that would quote from a source and deliberately leave out something inconvenient to the point you sought to make with a view to misleading folks.
Shame the WTS can't abide by your "standards" eh.
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A Point Djeggnog Missed...
by Cameron_Don ina while back djeggnog said to me.... "evidently you want the readers of your book to believe what jehovah's witnesses believe[d] (down till 1919) to be a matter of embracing the beliefs of these dead men (russell and rutherford).
but jehovah's witnesses embrace[d] the teachings of jesus christ, our living lord.".
"captives of a concept" presents 48 examples where jehovah's witnesses (bible students) did in fact embrace the beliefs of the now dead men russell and rutherford.
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Witness My Fury
No typing needed, it's dictation to the PC. Leaves his hands free for ..."other" activities...
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A Point Djeggnog Missed...
by Cameron_Don ina while back djeggnog said to me.... "evidently you want the readers of your book to believe what jehovah's witnesses believe[d] (down till 1919) to be a matter of embracing the beliefs of these dead men (russell and rutherford).
but jehovah's witnesses embrace[d] the teachings of jesus christ, our living lord.".
"captives of a concept" presents 48 examples where jehovah's witnesses (bible students) did in fact embrace the beliefs of the now dead men russell and rutherford.
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I'm sure one of his multiple personalities must be an OK guy.
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A Point Djeggnog Missed...
by Cameron_Don ina while back djeggnog said to me.... "evidently you want the readers of your book to believe what jehovah's witnesses believe[d] (down till 1919) to be a matter of embracing the beliefs of these dead men (russell and rutherford).
but jehovah's witnesses embrace[d] the teachings of jesus christ, our living lord.".
"captives of a concept" presents 48 examples where jehovah's witnesses (bible students) did in fact embrace the beliefs of the now dead men russell and rutherford.
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Witness My Fury
A dinner party at Eggnogs must be something to behold....
It would only happen once though as the guests would end up slitting their own throats just to have some peace!
Hey look, 607 posts, ...IT MUST BE A SIGN!!
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Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?
by sabastious ini read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.
he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.
the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.
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Witness My Fury
WTS claims a 70 year exile and 70 year "devastation / desolation" for Jerusalem.Hence they go from 539, then Cyrus 1st year, then a little journey to Jerusalem to get to to 537bce, then they subtract 70 years to get back to 607 as Jerusalems destruction.
The Bible says 70 years "servitude" to the Babylonians. "All these nations" nearby including Judah / Jerusalem were included in this.
The WTS hangs up on DESOLATION and COMPLETELY WITHOUT AN INHABITANT, seeming to forget that there's a lot of poetic license taken in prophecy to hammer a point home through over dramatisation, plus they FIX the 70 year period to THESE conditions being met.